Walt Disney World formally introduced Lightning Lane Multi-Go and Single Go, the brand new line skipping providers that may be booked pre-arrival. This submit covers shares the launch date & particulars for the brand new advance experience reservation choices at Magic Kingdom, EPCOT, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom. Plus, our commentary on winners & losers, comparisons to the previously free FastPass+ system, and extra.
There’s a ton of floor to cowl right here, so we are going to in a short time recap what has occurred within the final yr with advance reserving of Lightning Lanes. As you would possibly recall, Walt Disney World first teased pre-planning capabilities coming to the Genie+ service and Lightning Lanes with the announcement of 2024 trip packages.
That was on Might 8 of final yr and likewise included the return of the Disney Eating Plan and removing of park reservations for many visitors. Subsequent to that, Disney introduced a return of all-day Park Hopping. All of these aforementioned adjustments took impact earlier this yr–besides Lightning Lane pre-booking. But crickets on pre-arrival Lightning Lanes…till now.
Unsurprisingly, many Walt Disney World followers have been confused and assumed that advance-booking of Lightning Lanes was additionally debuting in early 2024. In spite of everything, the unique bulletins occurred concurrently and there was ambiguity about when the pre-arrival experience reservations would roll out.
Since pre-arrival Lightning Lanes have but to reach–and there haven’t even been any official updates since, we’ve began getting numerous questions. Talking of which, right here’s a fast rundown of all of the adjustments Walt Disney World has made in service of enhancing the visitor expertise for the reason that begin of final yr:
Up till at the moment’s bombshell information, Walt Disney World had solely made the one announcement about pre-arrival experience reservations: “We have now heard from visitors that they want methods to plan with Disney Genie+ service and particular person Lightning Lane alternatives earlier than the day of their park go to, and we would like you to know we’re engaged on methods visitors might do that for visits in 2024. Our objective is to provide the alternative to spend much less time planning within the park and extra time having fun with your go to with family and friends. Whereas we aren’t but in a position to share particular particulars, we stay up for sharing extra info at a later date.”
Six months later, we lastly have solutions. Let’s begin with particulars by way of the official announcement about Lightning Lane Multi-Go and Lightning Lane Single Go from Walt Disney World…
Walt Disney World indicated that they get pleasure from listening to from visitors about all of the issues they love, in addition to how the corporate could make their expertise even higher the subsequent time. And Walt Disney World visitors have informed the corporate that they would like to have the choice to do extra of their planning earlier than their theme park day.
With that in thoughts, Walt Disney World is making adjustments to the Genie+ service and Particular person Lightning Lane entry, together with new methods to plan forward.
Walt Disney World will introduce new, less complicated names to supply extra readability for everybody. Disney Genie+ service will grow to be Lightning Lane Multi Go, whereas Particular person Lightning Lane might be often called Lightning Lane Single Go beginning July 24, 2024.
Lightning Lane alternatives will even be up to date to assist visitors:
- Make Lightning Lane plans earlier than you arrive at Walt Disney World, for added confidence.
- Select your experiences and return occasions prior to buying, so what you’re getting.
- E book Lightning Lane attraction alternatives for a number of trip days, all in a single day.
Right here’s How Lightning Lanes Work Beginning July 24, 2024
Lightning Lane Multi Go – Once you buy Lightning Lane Multi Go, you could make as much as 3 Lightning Lane alternatives in a theme park, upfront of your go to. You’ll additionally have the ability to select accessible occasions as you make your alternatives.
On the day of your go to, as soon as you employ a variety, verify the My Disney Expertise app for availability to make a further choice.
Lightning Lane Single Go - Lightning Lane Single Go will work very similar to it does at the moment, the place you possibly can safe a time to experience certainly one of our most extremely demanded points of interest, however you’ll now have the ability to make your buy and plan upfront.
The best way to Plan Forward with Lightning Lanes
Company staying at a Walt Disney World Resort resort will have the ability to plan Lightning Lane passes as much as 7 days upfront, for his or her total keep (as much as 14 days). All different visitors can plan as much as 3 days upfront.
These advance buy home windows will let visitors safe a few of their must-do rides and experiences after they’ve had a while to determine which Advance Eating Reservations they wish to e book and every other plans they could want to contemplate at Walt Disney World.
Company might buy a Lightning Lane Multi Go, a Lightning Lane Single Go–or each. The My Disney Expertise app will even be up to date to make it faster and simpler to buy and plan, with fewer steps and a brand new choice to buy Lightning Lane Single Go and Lightning Lane Multi Go in a single transaction.
Lightning Lane passes will mix options from the present Genie suite of providers and the beforehand provided FastPass+ service, giving visitors the selection to plan forward and eradicating the effort of planning throughout their Walt Disney World trip.
For those who nonetheless have questions concerning the adjustments, please seek the advice of our NEW FAQ to Lightning Lane Multi-Go at Walt Disney World.
With that out of the way in which, right here’s how we really feel concerning the new Lightning Lane Multi-Go…
Our Commentary
Turning to commentary, the swap from same-day Genie+ to Lightning Lane Multi-Go needs to be well-received by many Walt Disney World diehards. One of many greatest adjustments is that there’s now a big on-site benefit by way of Lightning Lane Multi-Go due to the sooner reserving window (7+period of keep, as much as 14 days) for on-site visitors as in comparison with 3 days for off-site visitors.
That is much like FastPass+ (albeit with totally different timelines–that was 60 vs. 30), however an enormous departure from the Genie+ service. That leveled the taking part in area fully, permitting everybody to make same-day experience reservations beginning at 7 am. The one benefit got here by way of Particular person Lightning Lanes, and that solely actually mattered when a experience was nonetheless brand-new or in the course of the busiest occasions of the yr.
If FastPass+ is any indication, and it virtually actually is, the headstart given to on-site visitors might be massively advantageous. There’s an honest risk that points of interest like Slinky Canine Sprint, Remy’s Ratatouille Journey, Tiana’s Bayou Journey, and different tier 1 headliners gained’t even be accessible 3 days upfront. Which means that off-site visitors must financial institution on same-day experience reservation refills. (Extra on this in a bit.)
With bookings slowing down and resort occupancy lowering, giving on-site visitors a headstart is a extremely savvy transfer. We’re unabashedly all for rising on-site perks. A part of that is admittedly out of selfishness, since we virtually at all times keep on-site. But it surely’s additionally goal. Walt Disney World needs to be rewarding the visitors who keep on-site; it’s within the firm’s personal self-interest to reward visitors who e book trip packages or stays in Disney-owned or choose different on-site resorts. Maybe most significantly, it’ll be advantageous in 2025 when Epic Universe opens and Common is presenting compelling causes to remain on-site there as an alternative.
A bit past the scope of this submit, however we’ve additionally identified in current low cost posts that there’s not a lot of a monetary incentive to remain off-site in the event you’re doing Walt Disney World on a tighter funds. You’re going to be hard-pressed to search out something off-site that may beat the nightly charges Walt Disney World is providing on the Worth Resorts–particularly when you account for Early Entry, transportation, and free parking. All of that plus new rooms, being a part of the “Disney Bubble,” and the on-site benefits provided by way of reserving home windows for ADRs and, going ahead, Lightning Lanes.
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The opposite large criticism advance reserving of Lightning Lanes addresses is the dreaded 7 a.m. wake-up name. Apart from switching from costing cash, that is the commonest criticism we heard of Genie+ from Walt Disney World–the stress of getting to get up early to e book experience reservations, doing planning on the fly whereas on trip.
For probably the most half, this eliminates that. Company will nonetheless seemingly wish to rise up early to make Lightning Lane alternatives, however the time for doing so will shift ahead to whereas they’re at properties and, presumably, not attempting to have a calming expertise with their households. As an alternative of failures or technical difficulties setting a unfavorable tone to begin the day on trip, that’ll occur within the consolation of your personal residence. And that’s a giant win.
In fact, this 7 a.m. get up name is simply largely eradicated. There’s nonetheless rope drop or Early Entry, which we advocate doing at 3 of the 4 parks, even to visitors utilizing Lightning Lane Multi-Go. There’s additionally the problem of digital queues, that are separate from Lightning Lanes however interconnected. In spite of everything, you won’t wish to purchase an Particular person Lightning Lane till discovering out whether or not you’ve gained the VQ lottery. Otherwise you would possibly really feel the necessity to modify Lightning Lane alternatives based mostly upon your success or failure with boarding teams.
So even with pre-arrival Lightning Lanes, there might be the “want” to get up early on Magic Kingdom and EPCOT days. However that is however an enormous step in the precise course. And it’ll be an excellent larger one if/when Walt Disney World lastly realizes that digital queues are visitor unfriendly and stress-inducing. As soon as the VQs are dropped, we are going to flat-out endorse Lightning Lane Multi-Go purchasers use Magic Kingdom as their sleep-in day!
The second greatest criticism that the swap to Lightning Lane MultiPass addresses is that Genie+ requires visitors to spend all day with their faces buried of their telephones. By advantage of permitting you to e book earlier than your journey, Lightning Lane MultiPass and Single Go will help you not spend time in your telephone making 3-4 experience reservations.
Truthfully, I feel the complaints about screen-time with Genie+ are a bit overblown. Certain, you can spend all day in your telephone taking part in the refresh recreation, rebooking, and modifying. However none of that’s obligatory to make use of the Genie+ system to most of its potential.
The identical was true with FastPass+ earlier than and might be true with Lightning Lane MultiPass. It does imply much less display time, but it surely doesn’t imply no display time. You’ll nonetheless have the “possibility” of taking part in the refresh recreation for subsequent alternatives attempting to time a drop or modifying to enhance your return time.
Nonetheless, we’d rely this as one other enchancment. Frankly, I’d somewhat have a little bit of display time for subsequent alternatives than returning to the “good ole days” once I was the FastPass runner. I can play the refresh recreation whereas comfortably seated on the TTA PeopleMover or whereas having fun with the songs of Sonny Eclipse in crisp air-conditioning. No have to energy stroll round in triple-digit looks like temperatures.
As a common matter, the brand new Lightning Lane Multi-Go needs to be quite a bit simpler for longtime Walt Disney World followers to know since that is principally FastPass+ with a number of new wrinkles. In a shocking transfer, even Walt Disney World acknowledged this in its official announcement. (I can’t even recall the final time they used the phrase “FastPass” previous to this.)
Clearly, the most important distinction is that that is paid and that was free. One other is that the most important and greatest (debatably) rides are excluded from Lightning Lane Multi-Go, whereas they had been included below the free FastPass+ system. Provided that, that is arguably a worse product regardless of being a paid one!
Lastly, there are as soon as once more tiers below Lightning Lane MultiPass–this time for Magic Kingdom, EPCOT, and Hollywood Studios. These existed with FastPass+ and are, basically, obligatory to make sure that on-site ‘energy customers’ don’t scoop up the entire “good” points of interest earlier than Lightning Lane reservations open to everybody else. I’m considerably shocked that Animal Kingdom doesn’t have tiers given the recognition discrepancy between the highest and backside of the Lightning Lane roster…but it surely additionally has quite a bit much less demand, so there’s that.
Nevertheless, there’s one change that–in our view–might be a possible game-changer when evaluating FastPass+ and Lightning Lane MultiPass. Whereas FastPass+ required you to make use of your whole experience reservations earlier than reserving extra, Lightning Lane Multi-Go means that you can make extra reservations on a rolling foundation. Which means you can at all times maintain 3 Lightning Lanes by way of Multi-Go.
It additionally means that you can make reservations for subsequent parks as quickly as you’ve redeemed the primary in your day of go to. Whereas the reintroduction of experience reservation tiers might be a unfavorable for energy customers, holding 3 simultaneous alternatives always by way of Lightning Lane Multi-Go–coupled with pre-arrival bookings–might be an enormous benefit for on-site energy customers.
In observe, which means you may make pre-arrival reservations for Slinky Canine Sprint, Mickey & Minnie’s Runaway Railway, and the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. After tapping into the primary of these, you may then e book Remy’s Ratatouille Journey. In principle.
This is only one risk–there are various others. This rolling 3 will open up a complete new can of worms from a strategic perspective, which we’ll get to within the coming weeks and months. For now, I’m extra involved with the “in principle” a part of that.
As anybody who has used Genie+ is probably going conscious, reserving Remy’s Ratatouille Journey as a fourth Lightning Lane is a fairly far-fetched hypothetical for the typical visitor on a median day. And though the experience wasn’t open again within the halcyon days of FastPass, it will’ve been a troublesome proposition below that, too. And that was with out the simultaneous holding of three experience reservations, which is what Lightning Lane Multi-Go is providing. (In principle.)
Whereas I like Walt Disney World’s transfer to a rolling 3 alternatives below Lightning Lane Multi-Go as a transparent option to differentiate it from the free FastPass+ service and supply an enchancment (particularly given the removing of the highest rides), I’m additionally barely nervous. I’m wondering if the capability will exist for this and, in that case, how that’s completed.
On risk is solely that nothing worthwhile might be left same-day for these subsequent alternatives. That it’ll be all MuppetVision 3D, Feathered Mates in Flight, the Seas with Nemo & Mates, and different “comfort prize” Lightning Lanes.
I’m extremely skeptical of this. For one factor, that wasn’t the case even with the FastPass+ service, which had experience reservation refill drops. That was largely completed for the sake of lower-knowledge visitors who didn’t pre-plan, so that they nonetheless may conceivably get “good” FastPass alternatives.
The crucial distinction between FastPass and Lightning Lane Multi-Go is that the previous was free and the latter is paid. Walt Disney World can not merely don’t have any worthwhile same-day alternatives. It’ll kill demand and result in complaints from first-timers and others who don’t pre-plan. Not solely does there want to be day-of Lightning Lane stock, but it surely must be higher than what was provided below FastPass+.
If something, there needs to be extra experience reservation refills with Lightning Lane Multi-Day than FastPass+ or Genie+ for the reason that stakes are increased. This sensible actuality can also be what opens the door to the brand new system being superb for energy customers.
As we’ve stated repeatedly, queueing is finally a zero-sum recreation that creates winners and losers in equal components. Attraction capability is finite–if somebody receives a bonus, which means another person is deprived. There is no such thing as a magical system the place everybody will get to attend in shorter traces.
Which means that the capability for Lightning Lane Multi-Go to supply a rolling 3 alternatives has to come back from someplace. One probability that has been mentioned right here at size up to now is that the current banning of some third celebration tour guides and DAS adjustments had been aimed toward liberating up Lightning Lane capability. (We’ve additionally been anticipating Disney to crackdown on unauthorized apps that automate the Lightning Lane choice course of–possibly that’ll additionally lastly occur.)
One other risk is that capability will come from standby traces. That the ratio of visitors pulled from Lightning Lanes to standby traces might be skewed even additional in favor of the previous. I’m extremely skeptical that this might be Walt Disney World’s answer, because it’s at odds with what they’ve in any other case been doing.
From what I’ve heard over the course of the final yr or so, Walt Disney World’s intention with its suite of queueing adjustments is healthier stability. Insurance policies and programs that really feel fairer to nearly all of visitors and don’t benefit or drawback anybody an excessive amount of. From what we’ve heard, they’ve been attempting to string the needle with all of those adjustments. It’s an unenviable job and no-win proposition, however that’s the intent.
Different choices have much less to do with the allocation of capability and extra with provide and demand. A easy one could be decreasing the brink for promoting out Lightning Lane Multi-Go. If it’s simpler for the Multi-Go to promote out, that higher preserves capability.
In fact, if Walt Disney World goes to decrease the brink for promoting out, what else would very clearly occur? Value will increase! If Disney units a decrease restrict on the variety of Lightning Lane Multi-Passes that may be offered–and promote outs begin occurring extra recurrently–they’re clearly going to boost costs as an offset. Or somewhat, to make demand self-regulating to keep away from an elevated variety of promote outs.
Actually, worth will increase with the launch of Lightning Lane Multi-Go looks as if an inevitability. Walt Disney World may be cautious to keep up the identical vary as earlier than for now (which is sensible provided that summer time is slower), however I’d nonetheless anticipate a better common in addition to a better peak by Christmas (possibly even Thanksgiving). There’s no high-demand date between now and October had been costlier dates would stand out, so Walt Disney World may launch with present charges and lift them across the begin of the brand new fiscal yr or vacation season.
Nevertheless, as we’ve additionally identified earlier than, there’s a specific amount of worth inelasticity in relation to paid line-skipping. Most visitors who don’t balk on the $35 worth level are also unlikely to be dissuaded from shopping for the service when it’s priced at $45 or $50.
The incremental improve to the price of a several-thousand greenback trip to be able to “assure” journey with shorter traces gained’t be the straw that breaks the camel’s again for many visitors. This isn’t attempting to reduce the burden of upper costs–simply the patron psychology that goes into the choice to purchase or not purchase.
Realistically, I feel this implies certainly one of two issues. Both that Walt Disney World has dramatically freed up Lightning Lane capability or pricing on the Multi-Go goes to be a lot increased by yr’s finish–sufficient that sufficient visitors balk on the worth. It’s my understanding that Walt Disney World needs increased satisfaction amongst visitors paying for Lightning Lanes and these utilizing standby traces. I don’t see how they obtain each outcomes with out some mixture of these two situations.
Lengthy-term, the answer to all of that is constructing extra points of interest. As famous above, queueing is a zero-sum recreation. No strategy to traces adjustments the underlying capability. It doesn’t matter if it’s all standby, paper FastPass, FastPass+ vs. Genie vs. Lightning Lane Multi-Go. The one significant option to really alter the equation is by really rising capability.
That’s completed by including leisure, points of interest, or extending working hours. Every little thing else is a matter of rearranging the deck chairs, and having totally different visitors or demographics come out forward or behind. On this case, the winners might be these prepared to purchase the Lightning Lane Multi-Go.
Given the entire above and every part else, it’ll be actually fascinating to see how Walt Disney World followers react to Lightning Lane Multi-Go. Again when Walt Disney World killed off free FastPass for good and introduced Genie+ and Lightning Lanes, we made the not-so-bold prediction that it will be among the many most controversial information of all-time, proper up there with the demise of Disney’s Magical Categorical and once they began charging for in a single day parking. It was hardly a daring prognostication–however the backlash was even worse than we anticipated.
So I’ll make one other not-so-bold prediction: the fan group’s response to this information gained’t be practically as unfavorable because the launch of Lightning Lanes, Genie+ and retirement of FastPass. In fact, the circumstances are additionally very totally different–as an alternative of going from free to paid, we’re going from one paid system to a different.
I’m truthfully undecided what the prevailing opinion might be amongst Walt Disney World followers. I don’t anticipate any consensus–followers normally unite round misplaced perks or worth will increase, however not a lot else. Reactions will run the gamut and be rather more blended. There might be some nonetheless upset about free FastPass being gone (and holding out hope for its return) and others who’re excited a couple of return of pre-booking. Together with numerous reactions in between.
Our expectation is {that a} majority of planners are going to be grateful for the return of pre-booking experience reservations. This attitude might be going to be disproportionately mirrored from readers within the feedback versus all Walt Disney World visitors. As we’ve identified many occasions up to now, Walt Disney World followers studying blogs like this one skew in the direction of being ardent planners. These diehard Walt Disney World followers are usually not consultant of the final park-going public, a lot of whom don’t know a lot about Walt Disney World till arrival.
Below the prior FastPass+ system, informal guests beforehand didn’t know you may make experience reservations in any respect, not to mention a month or two upfront. They’d first find out about FastPass, ADRs, digital queues, and so many different issues upon arrival at Walt Disney World. Unsurprisingly, this led to frequent complaints amongst first-time guests concerning the FastPass+ system.
All of that was and is true about first-timers and rare visitors. That’s one of many main the explanation why Walt Disney World moved from FastPass to Genie. The opposite, clearly, was cash. However that rationalization is hardly a secret to anybody. Fewer followers understand there have been a ton of complaints about FastPass+ from informal guests, as a result of they themselves are usually not informal guests and don’t encounter that perspective. Understandably so, because it’s known as the fan group–and never the first-timer’s group–for a motive.
With that in thoughts, I’d say the choice to modify from 30 or 60 days upfront below FastPass+ to three or 7 days is definitely a really optimistic one for rare guests. I’m positive some planners will grouse about this–they do with the shorter ADR window–but it surely’s a kind of strikes that needs to be good for a majority, balancing the preferences of planners and informal visitors.
Even amongst Walt Disney World trip planners, we’re not anticipating reactions to be universally optimistic to Lightning Lane MultiPass and Single Go. That may’ve been the case had these adjustments rolled out in December 2021 and even early 2022. Nevertheless, numerous time has handed since then and frequent guests have grow to be extra accustomed to Genie+ and discovered how you can leverage it.
Extra importantly and to Walt Disney World’s credit score, loads of optimistic adjustments have been made to Genie+ and Lightning Lanes within the final 18 months or so. A giant a part of that is rolling out options that ought to’ve been current from launch, which can also be a part of why Genie+ was so poorly acquired (and why the ‘model’ is so irrevocably tainted that Disney is altering its title).
Regardless, complaints from Walt Disney World regulars about Genie+ have decreased in frequency and quantity. There’s nonetheless the compulsory grousing about it being a money seize or lamenting the lack of free FastPass. However when it comes to issues with the app or making Lightning Lane experience reservations, there’s subsequent to nothing.
Most followers have grow to be accustomed to the service and it has far fewer issues than it did at launch. This isn’t to say it’s good (nothing is–Lightning Lane Multi-Go gained’t be both!), but it surely’s not basically flawed. Because of all this, I’d say that Genie+ “favorability” amongst followers has improved fairly significantly.
A lot in order that I virtually marvel if Walt Disney World is late to the sport with the rollout of Lightning Lane Multi-Go and basing this resolution on stale visitor satisfaction stats or complaints from 2022. (In all probability not. It appears Walt Disney World is absolutely working to string the needle right here and make this answer workable for each planners and informal visitors. Whereas there are nonetheless unknowns, virtually each side of the announcement strikes us as good.)
Finally, I do suppose the quick response to Lightning Lane Multi-Go and Single Go might be blended to largely optimistic by itself, and definitely extra favorable than the preliminary announcement of the Genie+ service and Particular person Lightning Lanes. That was an unprecedented cocktail of feelings worthy of Inside Out 3: anger, frustration, confusion, and extra. One of the bungled rollouts in Walt Disney World historical past.
It looks as if rather more thought and time have gone into crafting Lightning Lane MultiPass and Single Day, laying the right foundations for a clean rollout, and getting issues good. If I had to make use of one phrase to explain the announcement of Genie, it will be “chaos.” The one phrase I’d use for Lightning Lane MultiPass is “stability.” It might not seem to be it, however that’s fairly excessive reward.
As with Genie+ earlier than it, my expectation can also be that opinions on Lightning Lane Multi-Go will develop extra optimistic over time. Walt Disney World planners are notoriously change-averse and there’s undoubtedly familiarity bias at play with some…however those self same followers will grow to be accustomed to this technique, study its ins and outs, and how you can strategically exploit the system–simply as they’ve with FastPass+ and Genie+ earlier than it. The facility customers will at all times discover out a option to come out forward, identical as they ever have.
We’re extra involved with how Lightning Lane Multi-Go works for Walt Disney World first-timers and the impression to visitors utilizing standby traces. Our hope is that this does a greater job of leveling the taking part in area, and balancing the often-competing pursuits and preferences of all visitors. That implies that diehard Walt Disney World followers who’re disproportionately the readers of this weblog will not be fully proud of the brand new Lightning Lane Multi-Go, however that’s type of the purpose. compromise leaves everyone mad.
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YOUR THOUGHTS
What do you consider the swap from Genie+ to Lightning Lane MultiPass? Higher, worse, or about the identical as you anticipated? Are you happy with the prospect of advance experience reservations and no extra 7 a.m. wake-up calls? Or did you favor the same-day system? Fascinated about how Walt Disney World will implement the brand new system? Agree or disagree with our evaluation? Different ideas or considerations? Any questions we may also help you reply? Listening to your suggestions–even once you disagree with us–is each fascinating to us and useful to different readers, so please share your ideas under within the feedback!
