Followers are hopeful that Walt Disney World will construct a fifth theme park given the billions of {dollars} the corporate plans on investing on enlargement in Florida. This makes the pessimistic prediction {that a} fifth gate received’t come to WDW any time quickly…and shouldn’t! Right here’s why it received’t occur, what we’ll get as an alternative at Magic Kingdom and past, and why that’s the higher consequence for followers and the corporate.
This can be a matter that has been mentioned to demise by Walt Disney World followers for some time. As quickly as Animal Kingdom opened, individuals started seeking to the long run once more at what would come subsequent. To a point, this was comprehensible. California Journey and Tokyo DisneySea each opened a couple of years later, with new parks in Paris, Hong Kong, and Shanghai after that. All supplied superb sights and lands that Walt Disney World followers would love to see in Florida.
Extra not too long ago, there’s been loads within the final year-plus that’s given followers optimism that Walt Disney World will construct a fifth (and even sixth!) theme park in coming years. This has actually kicked into excessive gear within the final couple of months, after the corporate hosted Wall Avenue analysts and buyers at Walt Disney World for an investor summit. That’s the place they first revealed a plan to double funding to $60 billion in Disney Parks over the subsequent decade.
That wasn’t the primary time within the final yr or in order that Walt Disney World followers had heard teases of a shiny future for the Florida parks. Finally yr’s D23 Expo, Parks Chairman Josh D’Amaro teased enlargement plans for Animal Kingdom and ‘Past Large Thunder’ at Magic Kingdom. These had been as soon as once more reiterated and refined at Vacation spot D23 this fall.
D’Amaro and Disney CEO Bob Iger have hyped funding within the parks past that. Throughout the latest earnings name a couple of weeks in the past, Iger recognized 4 “constructing alternatives” for the Walt Disney Firm that might be central to future success, one among which is “turbocharging” development in Parks & Resorts.
Whereas different followers are skeptical, we imagine each Iger and D’Amaro are honest. We do assume there are some needed conditions that the corporate should deal with earlier than switching gears and shifting into ‘constructing mode’ however we’ll give the advantage of the doubt and assume that’ll occur by late 2024 or 2025. We may also assume that the $60 billion quantity is correct for all of Parks & Resorts, and that of that, the corporate has $17 billion funding plans for Walt Disney World.
A few of these is perhaps optimistic assumptions, however they’re ones we’re prepared to make. And even in mild of those charitable numbers that is perhaps decreased later, we nonetheless do NOT anticipate a fifth gate at Walt Disney World. Listed below are all the explanation why…
First, as a result of each Bob Iger and Josh D’Amaro have particularly stated they need to broaden the present parks. In the course of the many interviews the 2 have given this yr that mentioned plans for the long run and bullishness on parks, they talked about capacity-expanding additions.
We mentioned all of this in nice size in Bob Iger Needs Large Expansions at Walt Disney World & Disneyland and once more in Reimaginings Contained in the Park and ‘Past the Berm’ Growth at Magic Kingdom. There aren’t any scarcity of quotes from Iger and D’Amaro about reimaginings and new lands on the present Walt Disney World parks. There are zero about fifth gates.
Iger and D’Amaro are cautious and deliberate when talking publicly, selecting their phrases rigorously. If there have been plans for brand new theme parks, they’d say as a lot. As a substitute, they repeatedly have invoked Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, Toy Story Land, and Pandora – World of Avatar because the blueprints for the way Disney plans to broaden its parks and “spend money on rising capability” and “alternative inside these present footprints to optimize.” These phrases are fairly clear.
If that’s not sufficient for you, there are the ideas which have already been introduced or teased. Walt Disney World has solely confirmed one main enlargement challenge, the Tropical Americas at Animal Kingdom. Past that, they’ve repeatedly urged there are plans for Past Large Thunder in Magic Kingdom. They’ve additionally talked about World of Frozen and Wakanda lands coming to Disneyland and Walt Disney World–however not in new parks.
There’s actually no want to invest. D’Amaro and Iger have repeatedly and constantly shared the plan, and it’s not for a fifth gate!
By some means, some Walt Disney World followers nonetheless discover this unpersuasive, considering possibly that D’Amaro and Iger are taking part in their playing cards near the vest. That’s fairly the charitable interpretation, particularly of two dudes who’ve developed a behavior of publicly blue sky daydreaming within the final yr. So that they haven’t any drawback sharing unconfirmed idea explorations for the present parks, however are preserving a fifth gate a carefully guarded secret? That’s a stretch.
Extra possible, followers are taking a look at that headline $60 billion or $17 billion quantity and performing some dreaming of their very own. To make certain, these are colossal sums of cash. Taking simply the $17 billion, which is conceivably sufficient for fifth, sixth, and seventh gates. That’s theoretically sufficient for roughly three new Shanghai Disneylands (~$5.5 billion upon opening in 2016).
Nonetheless, there’s zero probability of a fifth gate at Walt Disney World costing that little except it had been carried out within the spirit of the OG Walt Disney Studios Park in France and, belief me, nobody really needs that mess. For one factor, building isn’t as low-cost in the USA as it’s in China (that was additionally virtually a decade in the past). Labor and materials prices have skyrocketed and Disney doesn’t have an ideal monitor file of preserving prices in examine. A brand new Disney theme park in Florida would simply value $8 billion except it had been an absolute barebones, half-day park.
On prime of that, that is all of the CapEx at Walt Disney World over the course of a decade. Even Disney might construct a brand new park for $6-7 billion (they will’t–except you desire a unhealthy park), that be a giant chunk of that whole, and would necessitate CapEx reductions within the present 4 parks as in comparison with the final decade.
At first blush, $17 billion looks as if a ton of cash, nevertheless it’s really solely barely above the final decade at Walt Disney World when adjusted for inflation (it might not be above it in any respect when wanting completely at building prices). To make certain, there have been a ton of superior additions over the past decade–and it’d be nice to get one other 10 years of that–however zero new parks.
Constructing a fifth theme park at Walt Disney World would imply that the Tropical Americas and Past Large Thunder initiatives, which they’ve already stated are taking place, wouldn’t have the ability to occur. Once more, there’s each motive to imagine the plan is enlargement to the present parks moderately than improvement of a brand new one.
Nonetheless, many Walt Disney World followers assume a fifth gate should occur for one easy motive: as an “reply” to Common’s Epic Universe, the third theme park being inbuilt Central Florida by Comcast. Epic Universe is full steam forward, and slated to open by Summer season 2025. Many followers imagine Walt Disney World must have a response to Epic Universe, and the one factor that may actually compete with a brand new theme park is a brand new theme park.
The fact is that completely is not going to occur. Even when Disney wished to construct a brand new theme park and introduced one right this moment, there’s a 0.000% probability the corporate might have it open by Summer season 2025. Heck, even when Walt Disney World began work on Tropical Americas at Animal Kingdom tomorrow (they received’t) that land in all probability wouldn’t be carried out by Summer season 2025.
In all chance, Tropical Americas is the subsequent main challenge on the horizon (outdoors of trip reimaginings) and it’ll begin in late 2024 and be carried out in 2026. It seems more and more possible that Walt Disney World goes to “sit out” 2025 and never attempt to compete with Epic Universe. (I stay of the idea {that a} reimagined Rock ‘n’ Curler Coaster would be the tentpole addition of 2025. That plus possibly a few redone issues in EPCOT. Sufficient to be marketable, however to not really compete with Common.)
Disney has in all probability concluded that the one approach to “win” is to not play the sport. No new trip or land goes to meaningfully compete with a brand-new theme park. Sitting out this spherical of the theme park wars, conceding the highlight for a yr, and claiming “a rising tide lifts all boats” (their official reply to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter when it first opened) is perhaps the very best hand that Disney can play. No Disney fan needs to listen to this, however is perhaps the smarter transfer than attempting to steal Epic Universe’s thunder.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Walt Disney World had constructed a fifth gate and it additionally opened in 2025. A minimum of in relation to theme park followers or individuals desirous to do the new new factor, Epic Universe and that fictional Disney fifth gate aren’t going to compete with each other–they’d each cannibalize attendance from the present parks.
That’s a pure segue right into a core level that Walt Disney World will solely ever construct one other theme park if it received’t draw back from its present gates. You might also hate to listen to this, however Walt Disney World is just not going to construct one other park to scale back crowds or attendance in its present parks. There’s no state of affairs the place they’re going to spend billions of {dollars} to tread water–that doesn’t make any sense.
Walt Disney World will solely construct one other park if it could actually enhance per visitor spending by way of trip length and add no less than ~8 million new visits to Walt Disney World’s cumulative whole in its first full yr. That might be a tough feat. The typical American’s trip is between 4 and 6 days lengthy, and that common has been on the decline for the final couple of many years with People leaving a file variety of trip days on the desk (there’s article after article in regards to the shrinking American trip).
Anecdotally, we’ve heard from many journey agent associates this yr that the most typical “reply” from purchasers to rising prices at Walt Disney World is lowering size of keep. Moderately than doing a full week or 6 days, they’re doing 4-5 and avoiding weekends. There’s really oblique knowledge to assist this–look no additional than the slowdown on Saturdays and Sundays.
With the length of the typical American trip on the decline, including extra gates is a tricky promote. After factoring in journey days, many People already don’t have sufficient time to expertise all 4 parks plus Disney Springs or water parks plus no matter Common’s parks would possibly siphon away.
This can be a drawback as a result of it essentially implies that a brand new theme park at Walt Disney World would cannibalize attendance from the present gates, no less than amongst a great section of company. If nearly all of guests to Walt Disney World don’t have one other park day so as to add, constructing a fifth gate is a nonstarter. It’s simpler to get extra individuals to return to the present parks than to take the present demographic and have them add one other day.
As at all times, there are outliers–and people of you studying this who measure your annual time at Walt Disney World in weeks are precisely that. However when you’re studying this, you already don’t match the median visitor profile for Walt Disney World, so let me cease you proper there. You’re very a lot above common. It’s vital that we don’t confuse our personal trip time or preferences for the norm.
Then there are the logistical impediments or explanation why constructing a brand new theme park could be much less fascinating than increasing present gates. One in all these is staffing.
Staffing shortages have been a scorching matter for the final couple of years, and though they’re largely resolved within the parks, it’s nonetheless not excellent. It’s nonetheless a decent labor market, with almost two job openings for each unemployed individual. The basis causes of this are past the scope of this publish, however the backside line is that it’s unlikely to vary within the Central Florida hospitality trade.
Whether or not the native labor market (to not point out the housing market, which is already pricing hospitality trade employees out–that’s the explanation why Disney helps to construct reasonably priced housing) can maintain not only one, however two extra parks, is an open query. It’s not simply these parks, both. There’s the $1.5 billion Evermore Orlando Resort, Area15, and dozens of different sights and motels which are below building. All of those locations want individuals to work at them.
After all, Walt Disney World has the School Program and varied different technique of importing momentary employees from out of state–and that would actually assist present the workforce needed for a fifth gate–however so far that has not been the case for his or her 4 gates within the final couple of years.
If Disney goes to allocate present or further staff to new developments, they’d in all probability prioritize timeshares and motels over a theme park. There’s higher ROI and fewer threat, and people will not be almost as resource-intensive. Personally, I believe Disney is probably going reticent to construct new motels within the near-term, however timeshares are full steam forward.
Relating to rising theme park attendance, the simpler and cheaper resolution is the one we’ve been seeing over the past a number of years: increasing the present parks. Walt Disney World has already constructed out the capability of its present gates with sights like Remy’s Ratatouille Journey, the Guardians of the Galaxy coaster, TRON Lightcycle Energy Run, and Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge.
This method of increasing the footprint of present parks or changing underutilized sights is advantageous from Disney’s perspective as a result of it retains infrastructure prices decrease. It additionally doesn’t require playing large on a brand new, untried idea and having to throw extra money at that sooner or later to spice up its recognition.
With a brand new park comes new toll plazas, ticket cubicles, turnstiles, backstage amenities, roads, transportation hubs, and different infrastructure that already exists in assist of the present theme parks. These infrastructure bills will not be insignificant, and it’s tough to justify their expenditures when the present parks will be built-out with out incurring all of those identical prices.
Then there are the working prices, which might even be greater with a brand new gate versus an present gate with added capability. New theme parks require extra labor (see above) for staffing stated toll plazas, ticket cubicles, turnstiles, transportation, and so forth. Merely put, increasing the present parks is the conservative, cost-effective, and low-risk method. It prices much less for the corporate, and which means much less expense to be handed on to customers.
This brings us to the purpose that Walt Disney World ought to not construct a fifth gate. Right here, we’re switching gears from what’s going to possible occur to what ought to occur. Frankly, Walt Disney World has no enterprise enthusiastic about one other brand-new theme park anytime quickly. I do know that is going to get me some hate mail, however hear me out.
Followers love the concept of a fifth theme park as a result of it’s a clean slate, able to holding an extended want listing of rides and lands. As a substitute of getting 1-2 rides right here or there, we get a half-dozen new lands. I get it. A model new theme park is attractive and thrilling, and it’s enjoyable to daydream about Florida DisneySea or no matter is perhaps in your excellent park.
Don’t get me incorrect–I’d like to relive the sensation of setting foot in a model new park that’s completely unfamiliar. There’s nothing like that–expansions completely don’t examine! However I’m additionally a realist. It’s enjoyable to dream, however the sensible actuality of a brand new theme park within the late 2020s or early 2030s wouldn’t be excellent or meet what you’re imagining; at greatest, it might open incomplete.
If this fictional fifth gate at Walt Disney World had been on par with Walt Disney Studios Park (Paris), Disney’s California Journey, or Hong Kong Disneyland when any of these opened, the expertise could be completely underwhelming. Constructing Tokyo DisneySea or Shanghai Disneyland…as they exist right this moment…in Florida, USA…within the yr 2030 would value no less than $10 billion as soon as all is alleged and carried out. Perhaps extra.
As thrilling as that might be–and it’d be very thrilling!–it’s tough to advocate for that when Animal Kingdom remains to be a half-day park for many company and in want of 2-3 extra rides. When Disney’s Hollywood Studios wants extra all-ages sights in order that its headliners don’t common 60+ minute waits. When EPCOT, even post-overhaul, wants one other new World Showcase pavilion and reimaginings to a couple rides on the entrance of the park.
And people are simply the issues that actually needs to be carried out on the present parks. That listing didn’t embrace Past Large Thunder at Magic Kingdom. Not as a result of I believe it’s a foul concept, however as a result of Magic Kingdom “wants” the least assist. (It’s going to occur, regardless.) There are a ton of discretionary initiatives that would occur on the present gates to essentially enhance them, and Past Large Thunder is a kind of.
Exterior of the Dinoland plot, there’s a ton of unused or underutilized area in Animal Kingdom. That park already has nice bones–now how about a few all-new (not substitute) lands–that turns it right into a 1.5 day park? There’s limitless potential at EPCOT. Backstage amenities might be relocated at Disney’s Hollywood Studios, permitting for the smallest park to turn into bigger (and have an easier-to-navigate) structure. Imagineering is a lot able to dreaming up tens of billions of {dollars} of incredible concepts for the present 4 parks at Walt Disney World.
Should you’re not persuaded that fixing or constructing out the present parks is the proper plan of action, I get it. The shiny new object (fifth gate) is at all times going to be extra thrilling. However how about with this added to the combo: the infrastructure prices alone of constructing a brand new theme park would eat away no less than $2 billion of that $17 billion. So except you’re a highway and drainage fanatic, these are sunk prices that might not improve your trip.
Said in a different way, let’s say that if the corporate merely chooses to broaden present parks, we would get round $13 billion price of recent stuff, whereas we’d get $11 billion in whole if there’s a brand new gate thrown into the combo. (I’ve already skimmed $4 billion from the highest below the idea that it’ll go to DVC/motels or different non-attractions initiatives, regardless.)
For me, the reply is straightforward: I’ll take a maximization of the funding, and have that cash allotted in the direction of increasing the present parks and reimagining rides which are presently underutilized or outdated. I do know that’s not the thrilling alternative and is perhaps an unpopular opinion. However the different is the present 4 gates stagnating for no less than a full decade–and that’s assuming a brand new gate could be correctly built-out within the first place, and wouldn’t require one other decade to repair or broaden.
As a Disney fan, I’ve lived by many years of stagnation and I don’t actually desire a repeat of that. From my perspective, the final decade was far, much better. Certain, I believe all the pieces took too lengthy and an honest amount of cash was poorly allotted at EPCOT. However no less than a part of that may be blamed on the pandemic, and hopefully that received’t occur once more. If management coalesces round a transparent imaginative and prescient for Walt Disney World’s 10-year plan, the fruits of that within the present 4 parks might be incredible.
The present parks are nice, however they’ve loads of untapped potential and room for enchancment. I’d moderately see billions of {dollars} invested into the present 4 parks than for them to be uncared for for 10+ years. The excellent news, no less than from my perspective, is that Walt Disney World followers don’t get a vote on this. My opinion and your opinion don’t matter within the least–that is the route that Disney has already indicated it’s going to go.
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